Discussion in 'Alehose' started by Timmy, Nov 24, 2009.
Probably last year I go. Only will go because I misaed last year
If I go, it will be with a comp ticket for volunteers. Fuck paying that much.
I almost volunteered last year, but they had "mandatory training" at completely random times and places.
Oh wait that's the weekend I may go to Grand Rapids
That's the weekend of the 18th.
Peas & carrots you two.
Just 2 dudes being
In line with Maurice's observation that the latest trend is to be vague about what a festival ticket gets you, Alter made a Facebook event for their Alter Fest event. But no details on price and what it gets you.
On their website it's buried in the FAQ, $25/$20 early bird gets you entry and a glass. Still have to pay $5 per beer.
I'd complain to my buddy but he's not in charge of this event.
Burn 'Em is having a Labor Day party with the same problem. You have to pay to get in, but it's probable that the entry fee gets you nothing except entry. It's only $10 but, if you're selling beer at regular prices, you don't need to charge entry too. They probably want to give the $$$ to some shitty band.
Yeah $5/beer at Alter is a slight discount since their taproom beers usually range from $6 to 8. But it's still not worth it. Unless you want : chunks : haps you aren't going to drink 12 craft beers to get your value back. And as you say, when you assume the money is just going to some band no one has heard of... it doesn't make much sense.
Here's what I would do if I owned a similar sized brewery. Any band that plays is playing for free beer/food or free. No entry free aside from a suggested donation that goes charity, unless you do an entry fee that comes with drink tickets. No packing in useless items like a glass or mug to justify that price.
Not fair to compare to Goose Island, but 312 Block Party is the same day and a better value.
Any band just playing for free beer/food or free is shitty.
Dudes gotta get paid.
My overall point is unless you are booking bands people have heard of, no one cares. People go to these events primarily to drink a variety beer in an outdoor setting with friends. They don't want to pay a premium for live music.
None of the Friday Night Flights events I went to had a band. Didn't decrease my enjoyment one bit.
$5 beers in 12 oz plastic cups makes them plenty of money to pay their friend's shitty band.
These are breweries not bars.
You were at the South Loop event which had a blues band.
But a shitty free band would probably decrease your enjoyment.
Any shithead owner of an establishment who expects a band to play for free or for a few free drinks is shitty.
You should not only pay the band, but you should also supply them with booze for free too.
Yeah these breweries could sell beers for $3 in 12 oz cups and still make good money. Since they are selling their own beer with no middle man involved... your brewery signature event's focus should be to have a kick ass event and make some money doing so. If you try and maximize profits and make it less customer friendly, then I don't think that's good in the long run.
Oh yeah. Assuming they played basically for free considering the cost of the event and the fact some lady kept trying to spam us with flyers for the band.
They didn't suck, so chops theory is debunked.
May as well just play a Spotify playlist if you're going to be all like that.
As maurice pointed out already, most of these acts are shitty bands that know the owner or someone that works for the brewery.
Pussification of America
Like you would ever pay $20-25 for entry only to a beer fest to listen to bands no one has ever heard of.
They may be, but there's no reason for a shitty band to play for free even if they are friends with the owners.
I'm saying that if someone owns a bar or brewery or restaurant or anything and they want to have a band, they should pay the band with money and not drinks/food. Also, you shouldn't own a brewery with your logic on having bands.
I generally hate live music if I'm a bar, beer fest, restaurant, etc. If they're having it, I'll usually leave. I would however stay for Ballz' shitty band.
A few years ago, before Deuce became a , we went to Founders to try whatever their hotshit beer was at the time. Dude asked us for a $10 cover "to pay the band." We said
and went right down the street to HopCat, which had the exact same beer for $2 less.
I should clarify it's not the music itself I'm complaining about. It's like maurice said, given higher price for shitty no name vs lower price for no music, I'll take the latter.
312 Block Party will have bands that you may or may not like, but shit at least they've released legit albums.
I wouldn't pay anything for a beer fest that doesn't include at least some beer in the price, bands or no bands. If it's $25 for and I'm at least getting some pours and I know a certain amount is also covering the bands, I'm good with that.
I would also take the latter.
My point is that no-name bands are a generic overhead expense like toilet paper. If you think you should have some, roll it into the price of the beer. Don't nickel and dime me for something I don't care about and act like you're doing me a favor.
Using Chae's example, they were like, "$25 gets you an awesome glass AND admission AND festival activities AND fun with your friends." Bitch, stop trying to make one worthless thing sound like 4 valuable things.
Yeah, I'm just asking for some sort of value. If you want to attach 3 or 4 drink tickets to that $25, that's good value. Brewery still makes plenty of money to pay the band.
I posted this somewhere before, probably in this thread. Lagnituas recently released the info of their yearly event, the beer circus- $40 with no word of any drinks that come with that price. It's cool you have music or some stupid circus/quasi Juggalo performers but the hell am I getting for my $40?
Speaking of, what bands are playing the Goose Island block party this year?
Animal Collective, Ted Leo, The Record Company
Yes it's always the nebulous 'festival actives' which means we're making you pay for the band
"Festival activities" means "we'll have bags and maybe one of them giant jengas"
...like every other brewery with a patio has all the time with no cover.
My issue was with chae being shitty and saying he'll pay his band in food/drink or not at all.
As a musician who has many times been graciously offered compensation in the form of "EXPOSURE," I take umbrage at the notion that even shitty musicians' time and efforts aren't deserving of cash considerations.
p.s. I'd play for unlimited beer anyway.
I've had at least two babysitters tell me that I can pay them "whatever" including "nothing," because they were good white Christian girls or some bullshit. I told them both:
"Bitch, your time is fucking valuable, especially on a Saturday night. Never be afraid to ask for what you're worth."
I pretty much distribute more life lessons than every football coach combined.
Wasn't trying to imply musicians should play for free. My overall point was the customer doesn't want the price of a no name band pushed to them to the point it's clearly a rip off to attend a beer festival.
312 Block Party had Against Me! last year perform and they're better than 99.9% of the acts that you'll ever see at a beer festival. $10 suggested donation which was easily circumvented if that's your jam. A member of the board that will go unnamed opted for said method last year.
cheeses didn't pay?
Wasn't who I had in mind, but I'll take it.
Actually, I can't remember if I paid or not -- I seem to recall standing in a really long line but then there not being anyone there taking donations, or something.
In any case, I'm paying to see AM! at Concord in a month or two, so I'm good.
suggested donations are dumb
There was a couple charities that weren't bullshit so I paid. Greater Chicago Food Depository
Chicago Blackhawks charity, though.
I give them $10/month
Tax write off haps?
I can't itemize anymore, so...no.
If that was the only charity option I wouldn't have paid.