2017 NFL Draft

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  1. Prope
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    Don't sleep on Carl Lawson
  2. samram
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    How about Quincy Wilson?
  3. Prope
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    Twitter is telling me this Adam Shaheen kid from Ashland
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    From NFL.com

    OVERVIEW
    Talk about a Cinderella story. Shaheen was an all-conference pick in basketball and football in Galena, Ohio, and signed with Division II Pittsburgh-Johnstown to play hoops (5.5 pts, 3.1 reb per game in 2013-2014). He then transferred to Ashland to play football, which turned out to be the right move. Shaheen caught two passes for 85 yards as the team's No. 3 tight end in 2014. He then took over the starting job the next year, catching 70 passes (for 803 yards and 10 TDs), a Division II record for tight ends. The two-time AFCA All-American and first-team All-Great Lakes Intercollegiate Athletic Conference pick had another great year in 2016, setting a school record with 16 touchdowns among his 57 receptions for 867 yards.

    ANALYSIS
    STRENGTHS
    Enormous frame for a tight end. Powerfully built, well-proportioned frame. Accomplished high school hooper who brings the same footwork to the field. Has good sink into breaks and can make sharp cuts coming out. Has foot quickness for clever stutter-and-go double moves to uncover against linebackers. Above average speed and acceleration for his size. Creates leverage points against man coverage before breaking his routes off and pulling away. Moved all over the field. Was isolated for fade routes near endzone. Plus hand-eye coordination and shows ability to alter body positioning to improve catch-odds while ball-tracking.Trusted in pass protection. Sees twists and blitzes and responds to them. Needs work as run blocker but has desired frame of a Y-tight end.
    WEAKNESSES
    Physically overwhelmed a lower level of competition. Upper body is stiff and mechanical in his routes. Hasn't learned how to utilize hands to free himself against press. Gets jammed up in his release and can be knocked off the timing of his patterns. Will need to learn to adjust in space in order to maneuver past traffic. In need of his fair share of technique work as a run blocker. Ducks head into initial contact. Finds himself lunging and chasing when asked to climb to second level.
    SOURCES TELL US
    "I watched him for two games and turned the tape off because I want to see him live in Indy before I develop any more of an opinion of him. I saw some things that has me very excited." - AFC pro personnel director
    NFL COMPARISON
    Vance McDonald
    BOTTOM LINE
    Big, fast and athletic, Shaheen will immediately interest teams who are looking for size and traits. He's a poorer blocker than what might be expected for a player with his frame, but he's also a much more dangerous pass catching target. The jump in competition will be substantial and teams will expect him to become a more consistent blocker, but he's a pass catching tight end in a Y-tight end's body. Shaheen has starting potential with an ability to impact a passing game early in his career.
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    Ok...

    That secondary will still be fucked next season.
  6. s=D
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    I was thinking that too. Unless his Dad was Lip Man and he was forced to watch only 80's Bears game taped on VHS on Sundays.
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    And there goes woman punching Joe Mixon to Cincinatti.
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    His dad was from Back of the Yards.
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    Shaheen's report looks more like 4th-5th round project than 2nd round pick for a team with no secondary. Maybe they figure he provides Glennon or Trubisky a safety valve early on since they have no receivers.
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    Total boom or bust pick. His size is ridiculous, so if they're able to mold him into a TE, that could work out very well for them.

    Still, have no idea what's going on with the secondary. Clearly the Bears think there's enough depth in this draft to figure it out in Round 4.
  11. Prope
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    Not sure I like this pick. You got Simms in FA, and there are still some TEs left now that you have a 4th back. Would have preferred a guy like Obi or Awuze
  12. Prope
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    Prope RIP soxwon

    Kizer is heading to Brian Kelly's house in South Bend right now with a baseball bat in his hands.
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    Prope RIP soxwon

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  15. Prope
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    I wonder if Zac Miller is a post-draft cut. Kind of like what they did with Slauson last year.
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    Could very well be. He's not likely to play more than 10 games anyway.
  17. Prope
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    That's what I'm thinking. He's a nice player, but you just can't count on him being healthy.
  18. Cheeses
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    Cheeses Do not be afraid to crush the cucks with your mind Cupcake Mod

    How does Shaheen's size stack up against Gronk?
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    Shaheen looks fucking huge. 6'6", 270.
  20. Prope
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    Gronk is 6'6" 270. So, same size.
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    Prope RIP soxwon

    Ethan Pocic, from Lemont, got drafted by the Seahawks with the 58th overall selection.
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    233705078438100993 is not a valid tweet id


    These guys really ought to just delete their twitter accounts before the draft.
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    Rd 1 Pick: Loves to kiss tittiess
    Rd 2 Pick: Hates Barack Obama with an unhealthy passion.

    Rd 4 Pick: Bullet to Burgh's Heir? Kissing Dudes as Proof of Heterosexuality? Cheeses' still current wife?
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    Round 6 Pick: Being tall is great for a businessman.
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    Fuller Trump had no ideas, he just went too far

    I'm kinda looking forward to seeing #10. That has not traditionally been a number associated with QB greats. I can think of only Fran Tarkenton who wore the number with distinction. Perhaps one day Trubisky will...

    Only great #10 in Bears History: QB Bobby Douglass
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    Bobby Douglass?
    :mj:
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    Fuller Trump had no ideas, he just went too far

    First NFL QB to rush for almost 1000 yards in a season (969 IIRC)
  30. Prope
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    Dan Feeney, who graduated from Sandburg in Orland Park, was drafted by the Chargers at #71 overall. He's a G who played at Indiana.
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    Name: Eddie Jackson

    School: Alabama

    Position fit: Free safety

    Stat to know: One tackle, no stops in 66 run snaps when aligned within 8 yards of the line of scrimmage in 2016.

    What he does best:

    • Good athleticism; has the speed and length required to play centerfield.
    • Versatility to play man coverage as he was a converted cornerback.
    • Great ball skills, catches the ball out in front of him with his hands and has good return skills when he can intercept the ball.
    • Between 2014 and 2016 he gave up just 49.6 percent completions into his coverage with a QB rating against of 49.9.
    • Adds significant value as a punt returner; he averaged 22.9 yards per return on 11 returns, with two going for scores.
    Biggest concern:

    • Poor tackler, often out of control or goes too high on players and does not have the strength to bring them down with bad technique. Has missed 16 of 122 attempts over the last three years.
    • Shy hitter; doesn’t seem to want to stick his nose in on a hit unless he has to.
    • Slight frame and will be pushed around and sealed off in the box; seems to be just a FS fit who can occasionally play man against lesser options.
    • Doesn’t seem to read QB when in deep zone, will wait for receiver to make his break instead of reading the QB at the top of his dropback.
    • Instincts at safety need work; clearly still adapting to playing in space, and needs to improve his angles.
    Player comparison: Tashaun Gipson, Jacksonville Jaguars

    Gipson is an excellent back-end player in coverage, but does not offer much in terms of run support. He finished dead last among NFL safeties in run-stop percentage in 2016.

    Bottom line: Jackson has a high ceiling among the secondary options for potential centerfielders. His ball skills, athleticism and his ability to be utilized in man coverage make him an intriguing option to develop as a free safety on a team that is versatile schematically. He does have glaring weaknesses that can be extremely problematic. His tackling skills are poor; he often shies away from contact if it looks as if his teammates can get him down. When he is thrust into the position where he needs to tackle he often goes too high and can take bad angles. He is a good athlete, but not exceptional and his instincts and technique need to improve at safety is he is going to be able have enough range to be a centerfielder because his frame and tackling ability will keep him out of the box. His punt-return abilities are likely to bump him up a round or so higher than his play on defense would otherwise warrant.
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    Tarik Cohen, Bear Jew

    OVERVIEW
    While only a bit over 5-foot-6 and 175 pounds, Cohen was one of the most productive running backs at the FCS level the past four seasons. The MEAC's all-time leading rusher (5,619 yards) and first three-time conference Offensive Player of the Year was an All-American in 2016, setting a school record with 1,588 yards and 19 touchdowns on 212 carries (37-339, one TD receiving). Cohen was a third-team All-American as a junior (264-1,543, 15 TD rushing; 25-217 receiving) and led the MEAC in scoring as well as rushing in 2014 (197-1,340, 15 TD rushing; 25-237, one TD receiving). Though he started only six games as a freshman, Cohen managed to run for 1,148 yards and eight scores on 195 attempts (11-152, one TD receiving).

    ANALYSIS
    STRENGTHS
    Nicknamed "The Human Joystick" for his ability to make seemingly impossible cuts. Plays with unpredictable movements. Can turn any play into a random game of "connect the dots." Rare ability to stop and start. Cuts are just as seamless and sharp from any direction. Field vision is excellent. Has lateral escapability to put would-be tacklers on his highlight tapes. Gifted with unusually large hands and a powerful lower body that enhances his contact balance and ability to drive for extra yardage. Very good acceleration pulls him away from tacklers and into the clear. Relentless competitor. Had four touchdown runs of 83-plus yards this season. A true weapon out of the backfield that will be tough to matchup with. Has good hands and is very slippery in space.
    WEAKNESSES
    Falls below the size standards expected from the position. Overwhelmed slower and less talented competition. Benefitted from heinous angles to the ball from tacklers he faced. Way too eager to take plays off script. Wants to swing for the fences on every snap and will have to learn when to hit singles. Too eager to bounce everything. Takes his share of negative yardage carries. Feet are electric, but footwork and run track on zone plays needs work. Takes big hits from big men when trying to fight out of tackles and squeeze out extra yards. Stature and short arms make him a tougher target for quarterbacks. Has almost no experience as a punt or kick returner on special teams.
    DRAFT PROJECTION
    Rounds 5-6
    NFL COMPARISON
    Darren Sproles
    BOTTOM LINE
    Cohen uses a bounding, bouncing approach to the line of scrimmage reminiscent of Le'Veon Bell, but he's far less likely to finish downhill and instead looks to break it wide and out-race defenders. He's an electric playmaker who needs touches, but he's too small and unpredictable to handle much of an NFL carry count. Cohen gets easy separation as a receiver out of the backfield or from the slot and he will likely be used as an updated version of Darren Sproles 2.0.
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    OVERVIEW
    Morgan does not look like a Division II athlete. Listed at 6-foot-4, 320 pounds, the Philadelphia native has been overwhelming defenders since his redshirt freshman season, starting every game the past four seasons at left tackle. He started every game at left tackle in 2013, and then earned first-team All-Pennsylvania State Athletic Conference recognition in 2014. Morgan found national recognition with a spot on the Associated Press Little All-American squad as a junior, also earning the second of three consecutive first-team all-conference nods. Morgan again was in the national spotlight in 2016 as an AP Little All-American and a finalist for the Gene Upshaw Award for the top lineman in Division II. In an unusual move, he was also named the PSAC Offensive Athlete of the Year, an award typically awarded to a skill position player.

    ANALYSIS
    STRENGTHS
    Has desired NFL mass with adequate arm length and big hands. Plays with light feet when coming out of his stance and into his work. Always working feet into position to secure his block. Drive blocker who grinds from his in-steps. Composed in his movements in space. Operates with adequate bend in knees and ankles. Possesses aggressive field demeanor and is always looking to finish. Hand placement is generally inside the frame and offers up decent leverage points. Maxes out his arm length with stiff, potent punch that lands at full extension.
    WEAKNESSES
    Ducks head as a run blocker at times. Needs to bring feet with him and up under his hips to increase potential to sustain blocks. Could struggle with balance early in his career. Needs to keep weight centered at his punch rather than lunging forward. May take time to get punch timed up with move from tackle to guard. Dominated smaller, less talented players across from him.
    DRAFT PROJECTION
    Round 4-5
    NFL COMPARISON
    Hugh Thornton
    BOTTOM LINE
    Four-year starter at left tackle who was able to physically overwhelm much smaller opponents across from him. Morgan is a good athlete with the nastiness as a run blocker that is necessary to transition inside to guard, but he could be headed for early struggles mirroring NFL rushers in pass protection. Morgan could become a solid NFL backup with eventual starter potential if he improves his balance and stops lunging.
  34. Prope
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    Starting to feel this draft was more about 2018.

    Going to be another long year next season.
  35. Fuller
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    Fuller Trump had no ideas, he just went too far

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    Team sucks
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    Problems?

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  38. SABRSox
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    John Fox is a lame duck coach, right?
  39. y2chae
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    Hopefully
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    Was not a good hire to begin with.

    BUT ERNIE ACCORSI RECOMMENDED HIM!!!

    Such a Bears thing to do. Hire a GM, but have the outside consultant pick the head coach, not the GM
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  41. Prope
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    Depends on how good they are. It's not like this franchise would fire a coach after a 10-6 season.
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    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/h...aying-about-the-bears-draft-and-its-not-good/

    "We don't know what the hell they were doing," said an executive from one team that is routinely in the postseason. "It's all anyone is talking about. It's really bad between Pace and Fox. Fox is fuming about being left in the dark on the trade (for Trubisky). I don't know anyone who likes their draft. From the first pick on, we can't figure out what they were doing. Go back and look at how many small-school kids they took. People around the league are shocked. It's really bad between Pace and Fox."

    An executive from another team noted: "Either the Bears know something no one else in the league knows, or that draft just got a lot of people fired only they don't know it yet."
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    Fuller Trump had no ideas, he just went too far

    Packers exec?
  45. Prope
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    John Fox also contacted Jeff Fisher about the best ways to coach a rookie QB.

    They probably spoke for 7-9 hours.
  46. y2chae
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    I think it's clear that Pace is in charge and Fox is gone. He chose all these developmental guys and it's looking like a 4 or 5 win season and they can justify firing Fox. Pace then gets the remaining 2 years of his deal to prove himself.

    Too be clear I don't think Pace punted on the draft or anything. He just took a lot of high reward guys that won't contribute right away if at all. Because he doesn't care about the W-L record in 2017.
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    This sounds about right. Of course, it will be totally Bears-like for them to finish 11-5, and get a playoff game, and Pace can't fire Fox.
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    Putting all your eggs in a QB basket with a lame duck coaching staff sounds like a recipe for disaster.

    Just sitting on the sideline watching shitty play and organizational disfunction isn't going to get Trubisky NFL ready.
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    Whole thing is so :beer&popcorn:

    Will be interesting to see how right or wrong the Bears turn out to be!
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    I think it's safe to say they'll be laughably :wrong:

    Then they'll raise ticket prices again

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